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Question by Maciej N. · Nov 20, 2020 at 10:16 AM · community challenge

Take the "First Computer" challenge!


Hello Community!

Our challenge this time is all about nostalgia and moving back to the 8-bit past (or maybe even further). We want you to share your memories about your first computer (or a console) ever. What was the model? Did it use CDs, Floppy disk, or maybe even cartridges or cassettes? What was the first software or a game that you used on it? How long ago was it?

Tell us your story from your IT past and receive 150 reputation points! Pictures or even Youtube videos with some retro hardware or software are highly appreciated :)

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Answer by Maciej N. · Nov 20, 2020 at 10:46 AM


My first computer was a remarkable Commodore 64, which used both cartridges and cassettes (and if you wanted to be sure that game will load you had to use a small screwdriver to set up the cassette in the right way). My parents brought the machine when I was about 4-5 years old and will remember it for the rest of my life - I was so happy watching moving pixels on the TV, that when I was jumping around, I've hit my head and had to go to the hospital. I got a little scar over my eye to this day.

I remember playing some strange pirated version of Mario (that got a giant ant instead of Bowser at the end of the level), spending hours moving rocks in Boulder Dash, and flying and shooting in River Raid. As a kid, I was also creating some pictures in the text editor (and years later I discovered that the proper name for it was "ASCII Art").

As a bonus: Commodore 64 singing a Polish folk song, which was a truly mindblowing experience back in the day (at 1:45).



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Answer by Daniel S. · Nov 20, 2020 at 02:11 PM

An old photo of me opening my new birthday present, the Commodore 1541 floppy drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1541) after using cassettes, my excitement about switching to this new update is clearly visible. 170Kb of storage that day really seems like a lot, and the no-rewind upload speed is probably magic at the time. I start to program in BASIC with the attached manual. No BBS, no Internet, not even books on that topic in my language. My cousin was using a ZX Spectrum, which was my first introductory step into this amazing new beginning of the computer age.

After that it cames an old Apple II where i learn to the Logo programming language at school, then it cames a TeleVideo with double diskette drive capable of running the Prince of Persia and Carmen San Diego. That was my first portable computer. The keyboard sits on top of the screen and has a handle for moving it.

You can use a disk drive for the OS and the other for the programs. And it was a lot easier to copy diskettes.


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avatar image Karolina L. ♦♦ · Nov 20, 2020 at 02:12 PM 1
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that's an awesome pic with a b-day gift!!!

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Answer by Chad T. · Nov 20, 2020 at 02:41 PM

As a child I always wanted a laptop. Every Saturday morning I'd race down stairs to see if my Parents got the Weekend newspaper, and id flip through the pages to the middle section where the Classified Ad's were just hoping someone would list a laptop. One morning as I hastily flipped through the pages there it was, a laptop for sale (I think it was $30) I was so eager to get it, and after convincing my parents to call the number on the ad, I raced upstairs to change. And we were off! Off to get this laptop that I had been so eagerly looking for. Now mind you, I was a kid, I had no idea what I was getting at the time. All I knew is that I could use it on my lap, on a desk on a bed, in a car!

We finally arrived, after getting lost a few times (no MapQuest or GPS back then). My Father completed the transaction and we were heading back home :) This was the gem that we picked up (a similar device):

This beast had Windows 3.0 with a black and white screen along with a J Mouse! There was no CD drive that I recall, only a floppy drive. Once we returned back with the laptop my Mother proceeded to fully test Microsoft Solitaire while I eagerly waited to have a turn.

Flash forward several yeas, still searching in the classified/dollar ads of the local news paper I come across a newly listed laptop for sale! This one was a Panasonic Toughbook with windows 95 and a color screen! Once again we call up the person who listed the laptop, go the address and jumped into the car. When we got home I remember the joy that I had, telling my mom she can play her solitaire on one and I can play another game on the other! I remember how captivated I was that the laptop had a track pad, a color screen, a CD drive that would eject the entire unit and you could put in a Floppy drive in its place. The palm rest would open up and there was the battery and the 16gb Gel encased hard drive! and to top it all off, this laptop had a handle! I remember thinking how I'd look like all the business men that I've seen on TV with their briefcase, but in my case, its a laptop :)

Granted, both laptops of my youth were nothing special they battery had the lifespan of 5 mins, Ram and Drive space were nothing compared to the devices now. But I'll never forget how every Saturday morning I'd flip through the newspaper looking for a listed laptop, then try to convince my parents to call the number and pick up the laptop. And how my Mom would always give Solitaire a thorough test daily


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Answer by Antonio S. · Nov 20, 2020 at 02:42 PM

Mine was a ZX Spectrum. Like Maciej said, the screwdriver was probably the most important piece, for tweaking the cassette player!

I didn't play games a lot. Lot's of Basic programming, but then I dived directly into Assembly... Developed a whole 48 KB educational program byte by byte, around the Periodical Table. Every little BIT counted. Since it was in Assembly, it was a nightmare to develop: would load the editor, than the program, than write it back, and run it. Everytime it crashed I would be back to home base, with each iteraction consuming at least 15 minutes. It's working like this that I developed my performance skills in the mid 80s :-)

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avatar image Bartosz G. ♦ · Dec 04, 2020 at 06:30 PM 1
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Did you use the original ZX Spectrum with a rubber keyboard for this, or did you have the "Plus" or "128" series? I cannot imagine writing more than a couple dozen lines of code on the original keyboard. I guess that is why all the BASIC commands were pre-fixed to single or alternate key-strokes there.

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Yes, it was the original one, with 48KB :-)

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Answer by Erik S. · Nov 25, 2020 at 03:26 PM

My first computer was built from scraps other people had thrown away, Intel 486 SX at 25 MHz, 4 MB ram, two 40 MB IDE drives, a standard VGA card with 256 kB ram, a 256-level grey scale panel designed to be put on a the deck of an overhead projector with a piece of paper taped to the back of it and a 60 watt light bulb behind it so I could see. I had to borrow a friend's floppy drive to do the initial load of DOS on it. I did not have a case for it, so all the parts were spread out on my desk. I was thrilled when I eventually got a mouse so I could do more precise aiming in the original Doom.


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avatar image Bartosz G. ♦ · Dec 04, 2020 at 06:26 PM 0
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Two hard drives. That sounds extravagant!

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It's what other people had thrown away, and I didn't trust them, so one was used as a back up of the other


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Answer by Karolina L. · Nov 29, 2020 at 08:36 PM

The first PC I used was at my dad's workplace, with DOS and Norton Commander. I can still remember that shade of blue :-D Of course, technical details didn't matter at that time, the most important thing to a little girl was that it had some computer games!

The first one I got was already with Windows 3.1x :-)


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avatar image Chad T. · Nov 30, 2020 at 08:51 PM 2
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ohhh i remember those printers! They would spit out he printed sheet then the side rails would retract and drop the paper down on the tray.

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Norton Commander was awesome, but DOS Navigator nailed it. :) I can have a religious conversation about it, if needed.

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Hahaha :D

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Answer by Koen M. · Dec 03, 2020 at 12:06 PM

My first PC was my dad's. It was an Olivetti M24, but we called it the 8086. This was back in 1986, I was 8 years old by then and I remember playing Paratrooper. There was no Windows, so it was straight from the DOS command ( .exe or .com to launch). In 1987 my father brought some Sierra games home, this was a game changer. I remember well playing King's Quest and Larry Laffer and I learned so much English with it ( Ken Sent Me). Those first games came on 8 inch floppy disks with a capacity of 720 kb, so you had to change disks all the time. I remember having games that took 20 floppy disks, you were more time changing disks than playing ( example: Dune in 92).


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Answer by Thomas Z. · Dec 04, 2020 at 07:36 AM

I remember that I totally crashed my dad's PC somewhere in 1994 or 1995 because I so desperately wanted to play "Winter Challenge 1991" (yes seems like I already used to be a cliche Austrian as a lil boy). The game, a floppy game back then, looked like the following:

Yes, ski jumping was my favorite!

I don't know the details but a colleague of my dad (a back then "IT specialist") had to come and totally reset our PC aka "format C:" it. I still don't know how I managed to destroy it just by wrongly starting the game (that's the part I remember) considering that I was a 5-6 year old back then. Yes, my dad obviously loved me for that, not...

The machine was a casual PC with an Intel Pentium I. At least that's what I remember. Will add a photo should I find anything in my parents photo archives (aka piles of unsorted photos).


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avatar image Laima V. ♦♦ · Dec 04, 2020 at 11:51 AM 1
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Great memory sharing :)

Regarding ski jumping video games: Back in the days, there was a big hype of a particular game from Finland called Deluxe Ski Jump. It was so popular that almost everybody wanted to be a ski jumping champion there.

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@Laima V.

You can play your's here:

https://classicreload.com/deluxe-ski-jump.html

avatar image Bartosz G. ♦ Laima V. ♦♦ · Dec 04, 2020 at 06:27 PM 1
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I must have spent literarily hundreds of hours on this game.

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@Thomas Z.

You can enjoy playing the game again at

https://www.retrogames.cz/play_419-DOS.php

This site is particularly interesting, as it hosts lot's of retro games ;-)
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Answer by Arno H. · Dec 04, 2020 at 05:48 PM

Great challenge and nice memories! Mine goes like this:

When I was 12, a friend of mine was kind enough to lend me his Sinclair ZX80 for several weeks over summer. It had a Zilog Z80 processor (an Intel 8080 clone), 1k RAM, a 32x24 char display, TV video output and a Basic interpreter in ROM. This ZX80 was accompanied by a Basic manual, and that was all. I had no idea about computers. To me it was a miracle machine, you could create anything you wanted, it seemed limitless - well unless you reached the 1k limit. And I thought I was supposed to write all programs on my own, which was a nice learning experience. My first project was something reminiscent of ELIZA, basically asking the user questions and continuing the conversation based on the answers.


What I did not know though was how to store my programs! I don't quite remember why, maybe that part of the manual was missing or I overread it, but each time I wanted to implement something new or had to switch off the computer, my previous code was gone of course. It took me quite a while to figure out you could connect a cassette tape player via audio cables. So, unfortunately my first code is lost forever!

The ZX80 was a great machine, and affordable at the time. Its successor was the ZX81, which had an improved chip design, hence was cheaper, but basically the same specs otherwise. There was an incredible programming feat achieved by David Horne, namely a functional chess game (1k ZX Chess) in Z80 assembly, which only used up 672 bytes. There was also a version that ran on the ZX80. People tried for decades to squeeze a chess game into less memory, until someone really managed to do so, 33 years later.



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A chess engine in 672 bytes! I was coding 4k intros on x86... now that feels extravagant.

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672 bytes is so 80s ;-)

A quick look on the Internet seems to reveal that the record was smashed to 487 bytes in 2015, and this was what @Arno H. was probably referring to:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31028787

But looking at the authors page, it seems it's now at 455 bytes. And you can look at the source-code too:

http://olivier.poudade.free.fr/src/BootChess455.asm

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Answer by Bartosz G. · Dec 04, 2020 at 06:16 PM

My first computer was an Atari 800XE. It was a late 80's model of an 8-bit computer, based on and fully backwards compatible with Atari 800 from 1978. At the time I only had an XC12 cassette recorder with it. My friends had ZX Spectrums and one of them had Commodore 64. I think I was the first one in my class to have an Atari, and that was pretty funny.

Here is me loading the game called Alley Cat. The picture was taken around 1988 and scanned recently from a very poor negative film. I was 12 at the time:


But Alley Cat was not the first game I had. This was Starblade from Activision, a relatively less known title, a quite interesting for its time. Still perfectly playable.


Fast forward 20 years.

I am an established IT professional, married, with kids, a house in the suburbs and a mortgage. I have long since moved away from 8-bit machines. My old Atari was given away to my younger cousins and I started to use the PCs, got serious about coding (even some code machine, and simple drivers for DOS) and getting paid for it.

But some sentiment remained, so I decided to buy a really cheap 8-bit Atari, just to play the games I have never had. After all, most of the software is already abandonware and just several clicks away.

Then there was the second computer, ... the third, ... the tenth. I got engaged in the retro demoscene activities and before I realized it, together with a bunch of friends we have a registered society called RetroKomp, I am the president, and we host regular retro computing and gaming events in Gdansk, and about to open a interactive museum in the old town.


It was all great fun. We were all over the news and even the national TV crew came over to my house and interviewed me and my kids about the 8-bit Atari game I have created for them.

The museum eventually turned out to be a flop. But the established friendships and collections are still here.

I promise, one day I will make an inventory of all of my stuff acquired over last 10+ years. Not just computers. The monitors, too. And the drives. And joysticks. And various accessories. And not just for Atari, but also Commodore, ZX Spectrum, MSX, Amstrad, Apple, Sony and Nintendo, 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit. I have my old Atari 800XE and XC12 cassette recorder again. And I am happy about it. And my wife still loves me and supports me in all of this.

This is how my "home office" looks like. Not that much different compared to 1988, right?


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The last picture = like a boss :)

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Looks like Breaking Bad but for old school games...Very cool.

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